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Originally posted by maurizio13:
The logic that if price of something is too cheap, everybody will go out to get one does not really hold, else Hong Kong will be filled with more cars and the roads will be congested everywhere. The big question is.
Why are cars cheaper in Hong Kong without the need for a COE and ARF (traffic congestion relatively similar) compared to Singapore?
Just because something is cheap doesn't necessarily mean everybody will buy, only those who have specific needs for that particular item.
Compare a system in the 70s & 80s, we didn't have a COE system then, cars were cheaper then, but traffic was far less congested then, we also didn't have as many roads then.
Saying that people won't buy cars unless there's a need is one thing, but can the need satisfied by something else? I've already mentioned public transport in HK. Why would you need additional monetary disincentives when that's good enough? As long as folks here feel that public transport is inadequate, they'll get a car.
Back in the pre-COE days, were there as many people who could afford cars as there are today?
By the way, Hong Kong SAR has more people AND land than Singapore, while Hong Kong Island has fewer people and less land (but a comparable population density to Singapore).
Edited by Kuali Baba 04 Dec `08, 11:22PM
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Originally posted by maurizio13:
That's like saying that if the price of Rolex drops by 50% everybody will go out and buy themselves a Rolex.
Hong Kong has a larger population and land scarcer than Singapore, because most of it's terrain are graduated. Hong Kong doesn't have a COE system, yet it's traffic are comparable. Perhaps the MIW should learn from Hong Kong on how to provide a cheaper healthcare system, no GST and road traffic management without COE.
Obviously, only those who can afford will bid for one. Isn't it logical that the number of people who can will increase when the barrier drops? And then as they try to outbid one another the lowest successful COE bids will rise?
The gabrament left it until too late to even start thinking about reducing the growth rate of the vehicle population here IMO. Also, the MTR also provides better connectivity and accessibility around HK. There really isn't much need for a car in a small place unless public transport is as convenient as it is there.
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ARF takes up a large portion of the price of a car in Singapore.
Even if that were scrapped, the increased demand for COE that would follow would drive it up a lot.
I'm all the implementation of COE to control the vehicle population, unless you can think of something else that achieves the same result.
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Originally posted by X-men:
Lets hope the expansion will make the place less crowded. So hard to even get INTO jurong point from the mrt station esp with the construction going on.
It's easier if you walk the other way past the toilets, wheelchair ramps, under the MRT tracks and through the outdoor food court.
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Originally posted by elindra:
Once a week or twice a week for both is fine for me except I would like the Oxtail soup to be thicker and instead of rice I prefer mashed potatoes with some sauteed or boiled vegetables at the side
I prefer Oxtail soup to Clam Chowder but if you are sticking to that menu, I"ll be going for the Clam Chowder because I don't like rice and sambal sauce just sounds wrong ....
I think his oxtail soup is the Indonesian kind so it is a separate dip for the meat.
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